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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 18, 2011 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

I saw Furthur for the first time at the AllGood festival in West Va over the weekend. I have never been very interested in seeing post-Jerry GD incarnations of the band, but a nice group of my friends was going to this mountain top festival, so I couldn't really say no.

* John K is a decent guitarist, no doubt, but I don't find him all that engaging to watch. That said, as lead guitarist and probably their best singer, he should have more of a leadership role. Seems like he defers a lot to Bob. At times, I could hardly hear him.

* Weir is looking pretty haggard, and his playing (and especially his singing) is mediocre at best. He paused during the China>Rider transition to put in eye drops.

* It's very fun to see Phil playing. He's obviously on top of his game and having a good old time. I was very impressed with him.

* Chimenti is a dynamite keyboardist. No complaints at all about that end of the stage.

* Highlights: Viola Lee Blues and Lovelight (both with Warren Haynes) ended the first set. Viola Lee, in particular, really caught fire. In the second set, China>Rider was pulled off pretty well, and the Terrapin Suite sounded well-rehearsed.

* The crowd: I was sort of shocked at how young the crowd was, and I had absolutely no idea how many devoted young Dead heads are out there (I'm talking teenagers) with conspicuous SYF tattoos and the whole bit. I realize that these summer camp out festivals probably attract a somewhat younger demographic, but wow. I had no idea.

* By the same token, I saw shockingly few older heads. I'm 40, and at times I felt like one of the older people there.

* Drugs were everywhere, but not a single person offered me a dose. Not even once in three days.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 18, 2011 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

> He paused during the China>Rider transition to put in eye drops.

For some reason I can't stop laughing at that.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 18, 2011 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

I Google'd "Furthur" and "eye drops" and evidently this is not the first time this has happened during a Furthur show. One thing I've really been struck by ever since Bob adopted the Civil War re-enactor look is how dark and sunken his eyes seem now. Maybe he's got a problem with his vision.

One thing I'll say about Bob -- as much as he puts himself at center stage, he does seem to know when to lay off. I was watching pretty closely, and there were plenty of times when his strumming seemed off, but I could never tell from just listening.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 18, 2011 1:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

"Google'd "Furthur" and "eye drops" and evidently this is not the first time this has happened during a Furthur show."

That's pretty funny, but the poor guy. I think the need must be urgent, or surely he too would really prefer not to do this at such moments.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jul 18, 2011 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Silent Bob

Maybe he was trying to cover up his earlier date with Mary Jane.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 18, 2011 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Silent Bob

Actually Jerry was more Silent Bob and Bob was more Jay. Sort of, anyway.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 18, 2011 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Silent Bob

http://tinyurl.com/4y7pxpk
W/ Sonic Youth. That's Kimmy at the beginning.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 18, 2011 12:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

Yeah, well, better laugh than cry. I'm glad to hear there are so many younger deadheads; but speaking as someone who also puts in eye drops a couple of times a day, you know, this is just how it is now. we're not getting younger.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 18, 2011 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

I certainly don't mean to pick on old man Bob. The body needs a little more attention as we get older, for sure. But the China>Rider transition is probably not the most opportune moment to pause for personal time.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 18, 2011 1:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

I see your point :) but you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jul 18, 2011 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

Absolutely S&R - i know the feeling. I have seen them 4 times and at a few of the shows - namely Lewiston last year, we felt old - and Im only 41 and my friends are 40 and 41. Maybe its the festivals too...from what I ve heard they are wookie heaven. Shit is definately everywhere though. I saw more E at these shows than anything else.

I would say the craziest atmosphere i saw outside of an actual Dead show was in 2009 when thye toured as 'The Dead' with Warren. That was wild.

I would agree with what you said about JC - he is unreal on the keys. Jk can be a little tame up there too. I liked the fact they got rid of the second percussion guy this year - I dont know who he was last year. we really enjoyed the Radio City shows this past spring,.So you really didnt say, did you dig the show? Above/below expectations?

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jul 18, 2011 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

E is absolutely the drug of choice for us younger folks these days. Not my thing exactly, though I've been known to partake from time to time ;) It seems like over the past decade or so, for better or worse, the rave scene has really spilled over into the jam scene a lot.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 18, 2011 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

I actually think that the remote location and relatively steep ticket prices kept a lot of the wooks away. Not that there weren't a lot of dirty hippies, but the sketch factor was actually pretty low.

I enjoyed the show, overall. My expectations weren't that high though. I'd hoped that Bob would sound better, but he did an okay job in the end.

Jerry leaves a huge hole, though. I don't care who you get to fill in for Garcia, this band -- no matter how well they play -- simply cannot recreate that same sense of excitement and anticipation felt by the crowd when Jerry walked out onstage. Seeing Garcia always felt like this incredibly rare opportunity to be in the room with one of the all-time greats. Furthur does a decent job of playing GD songs, but I kept asking myself: Does any of it really matter?

And WTF is the obsession with glowsticks these days?

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 18, 2011 7:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

JGB drummer Dave Kemper was once asked, "What do you think the audience wanted?"
DK: "That's easy: the audience just wanted to be in a room with Jerry. They didn't care if they were hearing fast music or slow music; they wanted to be in the same room with Jerry. That's all I could see. And it didn't matter if it was good or bad or who he had on stage with him.... And I don't blame them. Being in the same room with Jerry was a pretty damn wonderful place to be."

Phil once said that after '95, "It was really hard to make the decision to tour at all, for me, because after Jerry's death I didn't really want to do it. I didn't think I wanted to play music with anybody but him. He was the reason I joined the band in the first place."

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 18, 2011 8:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

Dave Kemper pegged me. And you. And you. And you.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 19, 2011 7:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

Yes, he did ! It is hard to explain to people the deep love for this man, that wasn't just some celeb hero worship .
I salute the guys for going out there and seriously trying to make some real and interesting , music . For a Jerry-less world this is some good stuff .

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Poster: MindBendah Date: Jul 18, 2011 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

I was also at this show and had a big realization... John K is not Jerry, not by a long shot. His sound is very flat and does not play an up front piercing lead that fills out the space. It seems like he gets lost in the overall sound sometimes leading to self contained songs instead of transcending music.

While I never had to expectation for John K to be like Jerry, I figured the sound would be similar in some sense. Jerry's guitar really makes the Dead for me these days and with that absence I felt lost and dejected. I am really upset by this realization. It partially killed live music for me, I dont know what to do, or how I will recover from this...

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 18, 2011 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

Might I suggest Nels Cline? He's a very good antidote to any feelings of depression regarding live music these days...

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Poster: MindBendah Date: Jul 18, 2011 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

Sweet thanks for the suggestion. Any listening recommendations?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 18, 2011 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

Check this out to see if you like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I79m7_kAnA

If so, go to their site and listen to some live shows from their roadcase section, which they update every couple of months with a handful of shows. Great, great live band. When I saw them just prior to their last release, 70+% of the crowd at Mt Winery already knew the words to those songs. The vibe at their shows is fantastic - a real sense of community.

http://wilcoworld.net/roadcase/

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 18, 2011 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on Nels

You and I have talked of this before so I knew what I was getting, and I still got shivers down my spine, just like every other time. If the Impossible Germany solo was a painting every art gallery in the world would want it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 18, 2011 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on Nels

and no two would be the same, but all equally gorgeous.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jul 18, 2011 5:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on Nels

I was going to check out the show in late July at the PNC ARTS Center.Normal tickets were just about ok but when you add $14.00 service charge well you can Kishmeirintuchas.
I am such a throw back that at the Fillmore East Bill Graham charged $5.50 for 3 bands. Not to mention the sound test at the COW PALACE for a whopping $2.50 and on it goes.

Yes I do have Peter Pan syndrome

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 18, 2011 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

He plays lead for Wilco. And I fully agree that Wilco is one of the best live acts around.

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jul 18, 2011 11:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

this sort of speaks to the whole Furthur band/ordeal.

their "jams" just turn my brain into complete mush -- it is a blank tuneless miasma of meandering.... to be honest i find it befuddling and confusing that PHIL goes on with it -- you KNOW he hears it ...? but maybe i am wrong -- maybe he is caught up in the moment.....

in between fighting off bouts of intense yawning i find myself bubbling over with frustration at the lack of a SONG being played -- at the NYE 09 show i think i may have verbalized: "play a song! PLAY A SONG!!!!!"

they ACTUALLY sound passable if they are playing a song -- but once they enter nebulous improv territory it is al well -- V-E-R-Y NEBULOUS:


nebulous |ˈnebyələs|
adjective
in the form of a cloud or haze; hazy : a giant nebulous glow.
• (of a concept or idea) unclear, vague, or ill-defined : nebulous concepts like quality of life.
• another term for nebular .


"have you heard of furthur bro? they are like totally nebular!"



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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 18, 2011 11:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

We are seeing them this Sat. in Philly. I am psyched. I'm partway through their show of July 16 and to me it sounds pretty darn good. It sounds better than they sounded last summer, and I had a pretty good time then, too. I'm hardly going to fault Bobby for stopping to put in eye drops!!

They are sounding pretty groovy!!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jul 18, 2011 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

"Drugs were everywhere, but not a single person offered me a dose. Not even once in three days"......things sure have changed !

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Poster: adks12020 Date: Jul 19, 2011 6:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

I've seen Furthur several times now and IMHO they keep getting better every tour. Granted I am 29 so I never saw Jerry (belive me, if I could build a time machine I'd skip every major event in history to see the Grateful Dead in 1973, 74 or 76 but alas the technology is not available).

I am obsessed with the Grateful Dead. i lsiten to them every single day and no, Furthur is not the Grateful Dead and never will be. No one can replace Jerry Garcia...no one but the fact is that they are a really good band.

The "play a song" comment is fairly laughable. I mean how many times did the Dead play for upwards of 20 minutes without a lyric or anything resembling a "song" except for being in the same key...maybe in the same key? Thousands of times. That is what this music is all about...taking it out there and seeing what happens. In the beginning Furthur wasn't doing that very well but they are now.

I was at Jones Beach on Sunday and I thought the show was great. The first set was much more upbeat and the second was a space out for the majority of it but was well played. The opening Weather Report suite>Let It Grow was fantastic. One part of Dark Star was straight 70s jazz fusion ala Miles and sounded great. In addition the changes turn on a dime for the most part. They play together very well.

Phil is on fire..FIRE! Joe Russo is a beast. Chimenti is one hell of a player and I think JK is actually getting more and more confident and really taking the lead more often. He does lay back a little too much sometimes but I think that will change. As for the Bobby complaints....I keep hearing people saying he doesn't have it anymore but I think they must just be Bobby haters because I just dont see or hear it. I make a point of listening to him a lot because he is so important to the sound of most oftheir songs and the vast majority of the time he is on. I couldn't believe I was saying it but I was even enjoying most of his vocals on Sunday night and everyone knows his vocals are not what they used to be.

My only complaint about Furthur is that they sometimes hang a little too long on the end of songs..but lets face it..The Grateful Dead did that too (for example, the end of Deal). My only complaint with the show Sunday was that they closed the second set with Good Lovin' and I really wish they would just stop playing that song altogether.

Oh yeah, Bobby also forget a verse and a line in Brokedown Palace and that was a shame...JK should have sung it anyway.

I guess what I'm saying is they put on a really fun show and play songs that I love so I'm going to keep seeing them. I think people should give them a chance. They arent the Grateful Dead and they know that. So don't go in expecting the Grateful Dead. Go in expecting a really fun concert with a group of good players putting it out there.

just my 2 cents

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 19, 2011 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Thoughts on my first Furthur show

"The "play a song" comment is fairly laughable. I mean how many times did the Dead play for upwards of 20 minutes without a lyric or anything resembling a "song" except for being in the same key...maybe in the same key?"

I felt the "play a song" thing pretty hard when I saw The Dead a few years ago in DC. It's one thing to segue from a song into something free-form; quite another to start into a jam from a cold stop or to open a set with an amorphous jam. This was much less of a problem last weekend with Furthur than it was with The Dead.

"One part of Dark Star was straight 70s jazz fusion ala Miles and sounded great."

There was a part at AllGood that sounded like that. Chimenti was great.

"My only complaint with the show Sunday was that they closed the second set with Good Lovin' and I really wish they would just stop playing that song altogether."

At least it's Bobby singing a Bobby song! I'd much rather hear him sing one of his own than sing another Jerry song. Ugh.

"I think people should give them a chance. They arent the Grateful Dead and they know that. So don't go in expecting the Grateful Dead."

That's the key, I think.